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	<title>Comments on: Free Tickets to see Condoleezza Rice speak at Beth El</title>
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		<title>By: Phil Freshman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Freshman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 05:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary Krupp&#039;s reply makes me think of this: A person is drowning 15 feet away from the dock. Someone throws out a 10-foot-long lifeline and calls, &quot;We met you more than half way!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Krupp&#8217;s reply makes me think of this: A person is drowning 15 feet away from the dock. Someone throws out a 10-foot-long lifeline and calls, &#8220;We met you more than half way!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Turchick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Turchick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 08:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In defense of its decision to invite Sec. Rice, Beth El has stressed its desire for dialogue on difficult issues. Back in July, a synagouge member submitted to the Shofar, the monthly newsletter, an open letter to the congregation on this issue. Not printed. He distributed copies of his open letter around the synagogue. Not permitted. He asked for ten minutes of dialogue at the annual meeting in August. Nope. Tackling Torture at the Top has given synagogue leaders a &quot;heads-up&quot; before letters were published in the StarTribune and on several websites. Not a single comment from Beth El officials to the postings on those sites. The Q and A portion of the event will be questions written on note cards to be screened by a moderator. Finally, here&#039;s an exchange of emails  between Tackling Torture at the Top and Beth El Synagogue:

Condoleezza Rice appearance on Nov. 8‏
From:  charles turchick (cturchick@hotmail.com)  
Sent: Fri 10/23/09 7:42 PM 
To:  alexander@bethelsynagogue.org; gjkrupp@gmail.com; lindag@bethelsynagogue.org
 
Dear Rabbi Davis, Dr. Krupp, and Ms. Goldberg:
 
We humans are quite the species, aren&#039;t we? We have this powerful facility for communication, and yet we engage in wars where we kill each other by the thousands, if not millions. We all remember opposing groups negotiating whether to negotiate, debating on the size and shape of the negotiating table, and worrying about who enters the doorway first.
 
In this spirit, we will take the first step. To date, we have exchanged e-mails, written newspaper opinion pieces and letters about one another, and perhaps inadvertently built up some walls. So what we all would like to do now—and everyone in our group feels the same—is sit down with you and discuss our differing viewpoints about your invitation to former Secretary Rice.
  
Among the things we feel we might discuss are whether the Sec. Rice invitation was indeed a good idea; what facts we and you feel are relevant in making that determination; what we intend to do at our demonstration on November 8th; and what you intend to permit and not permit with respect to the parameters of our demonstration. 
 
We would be willing to have two or three of us meet with you at a time and place of your convenience to discuss these matters. We would also invite you to join us in various radio and television events we have already begun pursuing to discuss the difficult issues surrounding this event.
 
Please do not take this communication as any lessening of our resolve to demonstrate our opposition both to the illegal and immoral policies that Sec. Rice was instrumental in pursuing, and to Beth El Synagogue&#039;s giving the Secretary a platform to justify those policies.
 
We look forward to your response to our invitation.
 
B&#039;shalom,
 
Chuck Turchick
On behalf of Tackling Torture at the Top

 

Reply to your invitation‏
From:  Gary Krupp (gjkrupp@gmail.com)  
Sent: Fri 10/30/09 9:23 PM 
To:  cturchick@hotmail.com 
Cc:  Alexander Davis (alexander@bethelsynagogue.org); Linda Goldberg (lindag@bethelsynagogue.org) 

Dear Mr. Turchick:

Please inform your organization that we accept your invitation to meet with two or three representatives to exchange ideas and different viewpoints in the hopes of understanding one another better - after Dr. Rice’s visit to our community on November 8.

Let’s discuss details of the meeting – the date, place, etc. – the week of November 16 or sometime thereafter.

Most sincerely,

Gary Krupp
President,
Beth El Synagogue

When it comes to &quot;dialogue,&quot; Beth El Synagogue and I have very different dictionaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In defense of its decision to invite Sec. Rice, Beth El has stressed its desire for dialogue on difficult issues. Back in July, a synagouge member submitted to the Shofar, the monthly newsletter, an open letter to the congregation on this issue. Not printed. He distributed copies of his open letter around the synagogue. Not permitted. He asked for ten minutes of dialogue at the annual meeting in August. Nope. Tackling Torture at the Top has given synagogue leaders a &#8220;heads-up&#8221; before letters were published in the StarTribune and on several websites. Not a single comment from Beth El officials to the postings on those sites. The Q and A portion of the event will be questions written on note cards to be screened by a moderator. Finally, here&#8217;s an exchange of emails  between Tackling Torture at the Top and Beth El Synagogue:</p>
<p>Condoleezza Rice appearance on Nov. 8‏<br />
From:  charles turchick (cturchick@hotmail.com)<br />
Sent: Fri 10/23/09 7:42 PM<br />
To:  <a href="mailto:alexander@bethelsynagogue.org">alexander@bethelsynagogue.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gjkrupp@gmail.com">gjkrupp@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:lindag@bethelsynagogue.org">lindag@bethelsynagogue.org</a></p>
<p>Dear Rabbi Davis, Dr. Krupp, and Ms. Goldberg:</p>
<p>We humans are quite the species, aren&#8217;t we? We have this powerful facility for communication, and yet we engage in wars where we kill each other by the thousands, if not millions. We all remember opposing groups negotiating whether to negotiate, debating on the size and shape of the negotiating table, and worrying about who enters the doorway first.</p>
<p>In this spirit, we will take the first step. To date, we have exchanged e-mails, written newspaper opinion pieces and letters about one another, and perhaps inadvertently built up some walls. So what we all would like to do now—and everyone in our group feels the same—is sit down with you and discuss our differing viewpoints about your invitation to former Secretary Rice.</p>
<p>Among the things we feel we might discuss are whether the Sec. Rice invitation was indeed a good idea; what facts we and you feel are relevant in making that determination; what we intend to do at our demonstration on November 8th; and what you intend to permit and not permit with respect to the parameters of our demonstration. </p>
<p>We would be willing to have two or three of us meet with you at a time and place of your convenience to discuss these matters. We would also invite you to join us in various radio and television events we have already begun pursuing to discuss the difficult issues surrounding this event.</p>
<p>Please do not take this communication as any lessening of our resolve to demonstrate our opposition both to the illegal and immoral policies that Sec. Rice was instrumental in pursuing, and to Beth El Synagogue&#8217;s giving the Secretary a platform to justify those policies.</p>
<p>We look forward to your response to our invitation.</p>
<p>B&#8217;shalom,</p>
<p>Chuck Turchick<br />
On behalf of Tackling Torture at the Top</p>
<p>Reply to your invitation‏<br />
From:  Gary Krupp (gjkrupp@gmail.com)<br />
Sent: Fri 10/30/09 9:23 PM<br />
To:  <a href="mailto:cturchick@hotmail.com">cturchick@hotmail.com</a><br />
Cc:  Alexander Davis (alexander@bethelsynagogue.org); Linda Goldberg (lindag@bethelsynagogue.org) </p>
<p>Dear Mr. Turchick:</p>
<p>Please inform your organization that we accept your invitation to meet with two or three representatives to exchange ideas and different viewpoints in the hopes of understanding one another better &#8211; after Dr. Rice’s visit to our community on November 8.</p>
<p>Let’s discuss details of the meeting – the date, place, etc. – the week of November 16 or sometime thereafter.</p>
<p>Most sincerely,</p>
<p>Gary Krupp<br />
President,<br />
Beth El Synagogue</p>
<p>When it comes to &#8220;dialogue,&#8221; Beth El Synagogue and I have very different dictionaries.</p>
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		<title>By: ML</title>
		<link>http://tcjewfolk.com/free-tickets-condoleezza-rice-beth-el/comment-page-1/#comment-515</link>
		<dc:creator>ML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d ask about the WMD&#039;s or how many countries she can&#039;t travel to due to the possibility of being arrested on war crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d ask about the WMD&#8217;s or how many countries she can&#8217;t travel to due to the possibility of being arrested on war crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Leora Maccabee</title>
		<link>http://tcjewfolk.com/free-tickets-condoleezza-rice-beth-el/comment-page-1/#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>Leora Maccabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations Steve Kaplan. You are the winner of our pair of free tickets to see Condoleezza Rice at Beth El. Thanks everyone for entering the raffle - stay tuned for future opportunities!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations Steve Kaplan. You are the winner of our pair of free tickets to see Condoleezza Rice at Beth El. Thanks everyone for entering the raffle &#8211; stay tuned for future opportunities!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Heberle</title>
		<link>http://tcjewfolk.com/free-tickets-condoleezza-rice-beth-el/comment-page-1/#comment-500</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Heberle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say Forbes is the answer.

I would love the opportunity to ask Secretary Rice how she can continue to say that the U.S. did not torture when the rest of the world by any standard recognizes our actions as torture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say Forbes is the answer.</p>
<p>I would love the opportunity to ask Secretary Rice how she can continue to say that the U.S. did not torture when the rest of the world by any standard recognizes our actions as torture.</p>
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