Comments on: Minnesota Mamaleh: L’Azazel! http://tcjewfolk.com/minnesota-mamaleh-lazazel/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=minnesota-mamaleh-lazazel Twin Cities Jewfolk: the hub for hip Jewish stuff in Minneapolis and St. Paul Tue, 22 May 2012 03:06:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Galit http://tcjewfolk.com/minnesota-mamaleh-lazazel/comment-page-1/#comment-6085 Galit Fri, 18 Jun 2010 01:03:19 +0000 http://tcjewfolk.com/?p=9577#comment-6085 hi again, batya! for kids, though, it's different. they absolutely love knowing the meanings behind things so maybe *that's* where we can teach them the whys and the why nots? tzipporah, hi! agreed 100%, so much of what they take on has to do with our reactions (or lack thereof). & indeed, i am so very guilty of the picking up before someone comes over. *but* i know it's a real tried & true friendship when i don't, and neither do they! and "jeepers?" i like it. i like it a lot! :) marian, hi! thanks so much for the comment. i'm watching (and listening!), too. i suppose if we say it we have to take the "consequences" when they repeat it, right? and, at the very least, be prepared with our ammo-of-choice (at least for the day!)! excellent to hear from you! :) hi again, batya! for kids, though, it’s different. they absolutely love knowing the meanings behind things so maybe *that’s* where we can teach them the whys and the why nots?

tzipporah, hi! agreed 100%, so much of what they take on has to do with our reactions (or lack thereof). & indeed, i am so very guilty of the picking up before someone comes over. *but* i know it’s a real tried & true friendship when i don’t, and neither do they! and “jeepers?” i like it. i like it a lot! :)

marian, hi! thanks so much for the comment. i’m watching (and listening!), too. i suppose if we say it we have to take the “consequences” when they repeat it, right? and, at the very least, be prepared with our ammo-of-choice (at least for the day!)! excellent to hear from you! :)

]]> By: Marian http://tcjewfolk.com/minnesota-mamaleh-lazazel/comment-page-1/#comment-6071 Marian Thu, 17 Jun 2010 05:14:55 +0000 http://tcjewfolk.com/?p=9577#comment-6071 I really enjoyed this post and you've got me thinking. I am one of the big-time cursers, always have been, and I've attempted to temper my language around my children with some success. I rarely, if ever, curse in my writing because as you have said, it's too easy. Better to be more descriptive. But in day to day casual conversation, cursing is fine with me. Still, as you say, it's so crazy to hear the little ones say so many things. For a while when he was very small, my son started saying "dammit!" (I wondered where he learned THAT?) and it was simultaneously hilarious and horrifying. My husband and I chose not to react at all, and he stopped fairly quickly. His grandmother reacted to it, and that kept it going longer than it otherwise would have. At any rate, it's taught me to watch my words. Not that I'm always successful. But so far, so good. Thanks again for such a thoughtful essay. I really enjoyed this post and you’ve got me thinking. I am one of the big-time cursers, always have been, and I’ve attempted to temper my language around my children with some success. I rarely, if ever, curse in my writing because as you have said, it’s too easy. Better to be more descriptive. But in day to day casual conversation, cursing is fine with me. Still, as you say, it’s so crazy to hear the little ones say so many things. For a while when he was very small, my son started saying “dammit!” (I wondered where he learned THAT?) and it was simultaneously hilarious and horrifying. My husband and I chose not to react at all, and he stopped fairly quickly. His grandmother reacted to it, and that kept it going longer than it otherwise would have. At any rate, it’s taught me to watch my words. Not that I’m always successful. But so far, so good. Thanks again for such a thoughtful essay.

]]> By: Tzipporah http://tcjewfolk.com/minnesota-mamaleh-lazazel/comment-page-1/#comment-6067 Tzipporah Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:32:59 +0000 http://tcjewfolk.com/?p=9577#comment-6067 Ha - you had me laughing about Israelis and their "car talk." Ah, memories. 2 things: - currently, anything scatalogical is simple fascinating to the toddler. We try not to (over)react, because when we do, that word sticks around. - the peer pressure/judging thing. Yes, we all do that - how many of us run around picking up before company comes over? It's the same sort of thing, and normal and healthy, I think, unless you actually aren't sure where you stand on an issue and you're letting your assumptions about your community lead you one way or another. Apparently I swear like a pirate, so Bad Cohen will never let me forget that when our son was born, all that came out was "Jeepers!" Ha – you had me laughing about Israelis and their “car talk.” Ah, memories.

2 things:

- currently, anything scatalogical is simple fascinating to the toddler. We try not to (over)react, because when we do, that word sticks around.

- the peer pressure/judging thing. Yes, we all do that – how many of us run around picking up before company comes over? It’s the same sort of thing, and normal and healthy, I think, unless you actually aren’t sure where you stand on an issue and you’re letting your assumptions about your community lead you one way or another.

Apparently I swear like a pirate, so Bad Cohen will never let me forget that when our son was born, all that came out was “Jeepers!”

]]> By: Batya from Shiloh http://tcjewfolk.com/minnesota-mamaleh-lazazel/comment-page-1/#comment-6064 Batya from Shiloh Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:37:19 +0000 http://tcjewfolk.com/?p=9577#comment-6064 I think most people say those digusting words, because they think it's the accepted way of showing anger, frustration and disgust. The actual meaning of the words isn't of any real importance to them. I think most people say those digusting words, because they think it’s the accepted way of showing anger, frustration and disgust. The actual meaning of the words isn’t of any real importance to them.

]]> By: Galit http://tcjewfolk.com/minnesota-mamaleh-lazazel/comment-page-1/#comment-6063 Galit Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:58:18 +0000 http://tcjewfolk.com/?p=9577#comment-6063 oh, look at all of us dialoguing about something like this! absolutely LOVE it! i suppose if we can talk about diapers, we can talk about *this,* too!! :) erica-- love the family story! although you're 100% right-- nearly impossible to live down! especially once the kids can start repeating said stories, as well!! susan-- what an amazing, excellent point!! i could *never* imagine a rabbi swearing, much the way many could *never* imagine a mama swearing!! *sigh* christine-- even after such a short time, i can totally imagine the "oh my stars!" moments! for sure, word choices must look different with grown-up children! love that you gave them permission and the skills to "choose their audience." brilliant! michelle-- hi! hooray! you're here! :) you're 100% right, that *is* my mantra about most things love that you noticed and called that out right away! and indeed, i've danced around those last two paragraphs many-a-times and i *should* just sit down and write it out! if you beat me to it, leave us the link here!! oolofthehills-- thanks lady! it *is* different around kids, and not. i felt the same way as a school teacher. the way i was in public mattered b/c what if a student (former or current) was around! i *love* c's mismatched socks, too! between that and all of those ponytails, she's a trendsetter for sure!! susie--- hi there! thanks for filling in my fashla (or whatever other word we should insert there!!). i think that the swearing in arabic is FASCINATING!! and indeed, if we don;t know the meaning i wonder if it does seem less bad, threatening, something? good luck with those dishes! i know how bleep bleep they can be! :) phyllis-- thanks so much lady! i'll take a compliment from you any day! i agree completely that some things just sound...odd from little mouths. probably b/c of what they mean to us? i've heard of the "fining" before and so, so glad it works for you guys!! what do you end up doing with the pot-o-money?! mirj-- seriously FASCINATING! and your examples are absolutely priceless!! do you all just ever burst out laughing at the how the conversation ends up circling around all of the lingo?! can you have us over sometime so we can watch? one day, friend. on e day, indeed! :) Mrs. S-- hi lady! excellent to hear from you! agreed completely! i actually think children might be horrified to know what the meaning is on some of these words, too? maybe *that's* the rub? once they know, it might be easier to navigate where and when (and why) some words are appropriate, or not? debbie-- anytime lady! anytime! indeed, they are *just* like little echoes!! i think it's so, so interesting to hear what's offensive to some but not to others. and, indeed, i remember babysitting for a little boy (maybe 2?) who used to say s**t all the time and everyone *would* laugh. so, so different when it's your own kid!! ilana-- hi! indeed, i think we often do as or parents did. maybe that's why i'm worried about it in front of my kids! and i couldn't possibly agree more-- the meaning is *all* in the delivery!! bookishima-- hi lady! great to hear from you! so much of it is wrapped around in intention, don't you think? i really, really love how you think about that (and meaning) as you make your family rules, rather than just a sweeping generalization without thinking it through! smart, smart lady! shira-- hi! anytime for the links, lady! it's my pleasure, for sure! i suppose once the meaning *is* known it changes it for people. i think that the infusion of all of the different languages used is really, really interesting, right? especially once we step back and observe (one of my favorite things to do, btw!)! batya-- hi lady! thanks for the comment and amen, sister! i'm, for sure, not talking about the insults. just the slips! and, lol, there *are* many, many creative ways to say things aren't there? robin-- you, me, so-very-similar lol at the sailors blushing!! i think y'all are on the same page though ie: sheet and fak being a.o.k by most. INTERESTING about your neighborhood. i'd love to be a fly on the wall sometime, mostly just to see if i understand what's being said!! & sarah-- hi! i wonder how different the standards are for ourselves versus those we have for others? and amen, sista-- illuminating is the *perfect* word choice here!! oh, look at all of us dialoguing about something like this! absolutely LOVE it! i suppose if we can talk about diapers, we can talk about *this,* too!! :)

erica– love the family story! although you’re 100% right– nearly impossible to live down! especially once the kids can start repeating said stories, as well!!

susan– what an amazing, excellent point!! i could *never* imagine a rabbi swearing, much the way many could *never* imagine a mama swearing!! *sigh*

christine– even after such a short time, i can totally imagine the “oh my stars!” moments! for sure, word choices must look different with grown-up children! love that you gave them permission and the skills to “choose their audience.” brilliant!

michelle– hi! hooray! you’re here! :) you’re 100% right, that *is* my mantra about most things love that you noticed and called that out right away! and indeed, i’ve danced around those last two paragraphs many-a-times and i *should* just sit down and write it out! if you beat me to it, leave us the link here!!

oolofthehills– thanks lady! it *is* different around kids, and not. i felt the same way as a school teacher. the way i was in public mattered b/c what if a student (former or current) was around! i *love* c’s mismatched socks, too! between that and all of those ponytails, she’s a trendsetter for sure!!

susie— hi there! thanks for filling in my fashla (or whatever other word we should insert there!!). i think that the swearing in arabic is FASCINATING!! and indeed, if we don;t know the meaning i wonder if it does seem less bad, threatening, something? good luck with those dishes! i know how bleep bleep they can be! :)

phyllis– thanks so much lady! i’ll take a compliment from you any day! i agree completely that some things just sound…odd from little mouths. probably b/c of what they mean to us? i’ve heard of the “fining” before and so, so glad it works for you guys!! what do you end up doing with the pot-o-money?!

mirj– seriously FASCINATING! and your examples are absolutely priceless!! do you all just ever burst out laughing at the how the conversation ends up circling around all of the lingo?! can you have us over sometime so we can watch? one day, friend. on e day, indeed! :)

Mrs. S– hi lady! excellent to hear from you! agreed completely! i actually think children might be horrified to know what the meaning is on some of these words, too? maybe *that’s* the rub? once they know, it might be easier to navigate where and when (and why) some words are appropriate, or not?

debbie– anytime lady! anytime! indeed, they are *just* like little echoes!! i think it’s so, so interesting to hear what’s offensive to some but not to others. and, indeed, i remember babysitting for a little boy (maybe 2?) who used to say s**t all the time and everyone *would* laugh. so, so different when it’s your own kid!!

ilana– hi! indeed, i think we often do as or parents did. maybe that’s why i’m worried about it in front of my kids! and i couldn’t possibly agree more– the meaning is *all* in the delivery!!

bookishima– hi lady! great to hear from you! so much of it is wrapped around in intention, don’t you think? i really, really love how you think about that (and meaning) as you make your family rules, rather than just a sweeping generalization without thinking it through! smart, smart lady!

shira– hi! anytime for the links, lady! it’s my pleasure, for sure! i suppose once the meaning *is* known it changes it for people. i think that the infusion of all of the different languages used is really, really interesting, right? especially once we step back and observe (one of my favorite things to do, btw!)!

batya– hi lady! thanks for the comment and amen, sister! i’m, for sure, not talking about the insults. just the slips! and, lol, there *are* many, many creative ways to say things aren’t there?

robin– you, me, so-very-similar lol at the sailors blushing!! i think y’all are on the same page though ie: sheet and fak being a.o.k by most. INTERESTING about your neighborhood. i’d love to be a fly on the wall sometime, mostly just to see if i understand what’s being said!!

& sarah– hi! i wonder how different the standards are for ourselves versus those we have for others? and amen, sista– illuminating is the *perfect* word choice here!!

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