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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 03:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been reading this post for days waiting for more people to weigh in on this very important issue.  But maybe that is the problem- too few of us see Jewish education as an important issue!  I think Michael asks the important question- What do Jews in this area want for their children.  Do we want &quot;quality&quot;? Do we want &quot;quantity&quot;? We are so busy trying to create balanced children that we are completely out of balance.  It will be very interesting (somewhat freightening) to watch the future leaders (our children) who only know or want to participate in activities that have something in it for them.  What about attending Talmud Torah because that is what we do as Jews.  Day school is a wonderful option but that to has become about avoiding afternoon school, or not being able to get into a different private school or other reasons that have less to do with Jewish education.  I think that we need to put a serious effort into marketing Jewish education.  We do not need another Jewish agency created, we need serious discussion about the strengths of Jewish education through high school.  Maybe combining Minneapolis-St. Paul, maybe offering kids options where they can attend both places.  With better choices of classes and teachers.  Effort needs to be made by all parties- parents, kids, teachers, administrators and of course our synagogue Rabbis who need to really get behind the effort.  It is time to let go of the history and start putting the future first.  This kind of discussion is a good first step.  A pledge by families to make every effort to attend and support their community program would also help!  We have a wonderful Jewish community in Minneapolis and St. Paul.  People in other states say that our Community school system (Talmud Torah of Minneapolis and Midrasha) are so rare and unique that they have become cutting edge again.  Let&#039;s make sure that the Twin Cities stays on the cutting edge of Jewish Education!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading this post for days waiting for more people to weigh in on this very important issue.  But maybe that is the problem- too few of us see Jewish education as an important issue!  I think Michael asks the important question- What do Jews in this area want for their children.  Do we want &#8220;quality&#8221;? Do we want &#8220;quantity&#8221;? We are so busy trying to create balanced children that we are completely out of balance.  It will be very interesting (somewhat freightening) to watch the future leaders (our children) who only know or want to participate in activities that have something in it for them.  What about attending Talmud Torah because that is what we do as Jews.  Day school is a wonderful option but that to has become about avoiding afternoon school, or not being able to get into a different private school or other reasons that have less to do with Jewish education.  I think that we need to put a serious effort into marketing Jewish education.  We do not need another Jewish agency created, we need serious discussion about the strengths of Jewish education through high school.  Maybe combining Minneapolis-St. Paul, maybe offering kids options where they can attend both places.  With better choices of classes and teachers.  Effort needs to be made by all parties- parents, kids, teachers, administrators and of course our synagogue Rabbis who need to really get behind the effort.  It is time to let go of the history and start putting the future first.  This kind of discussion is a good first step.  A pledge by families to make every effort to attend and support their community program would also help!  We have a wonderful Jewish community in Minneapolis and St. Paul.  People in other states say that our Community school system (Talmud Torah of Minneapolis and Midrasha) are so rare and unique that they have become cutting edge again.  Let&#8217;s make sure that the Twin Cities stays on the cutting edge of Jewish Education!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 14:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful use of Goldman reference, Shuli, and more wonderful placement of the challenges of our WHOLE community&#039;s Jewish education as a major concern.

A private school has more to concern itself than providing an excellent education.  It is an entity that needs a vision, as well as administration and faculty who connect, in addition to the mission, to the ongoing process of fundraising as well.  The whole idea of fundraising for private schools is that even those who pay full tuition do not cover the total cost to educate their child/children.  Add to that the need for financial aid, and you see the need.

A private school needs, as does a business, (and, for my money, as do public schools) a solid idea of the desires and needs of the community it serves.  Some of your questions resonate with me, as I wonder about my family&#039;s future in the Twin Cities.  Why do we as a Jewish community buy into this garbage of the cross-river Hatfields and McCoys?  I didn&#039;t grow up here, but what did these two cities DO to each other back in the day to foster so much antipathy, if not animosity? Are there not people on both sides who are concerned enough with the future to get beyond this odd fractionation?

The question of support of multiple day schools is not cut and dry.  School-age population is cyclical; the administration at the college where I work is talking of the hit in enrollment we are expecting as the decrease in school-aged students progresses past secondary school.  To know that we are not alone, look at the number of other school closing or closed in the past year or two.

Location is an issue, as what is available is not always accessible.  (My family has no one near us to ride share, etc.  If we are not in the position to drive the kids to Highland Park or Minneapolis, they cannot go to school in Highland Park or Minneapolis.)  Feelings about the &#039;other&#039; aside, many are not in the position to get to one school or the other.  Lose one option, and you lose Jewish education for those who were utilizing their only option.

What&#039;s next?  That will depend.  Do we know what Jews around the area want for their children?  Not really, no.  How do schools connect with unaffiliated (not associated with a synagogue) families?  I wish I knew, because from all reports, there are no successful ways so far.  A Jewish day school was not even on our radar until one of the kids came home from pre-school and asked, &quot;Why can&#039;t we love Jesus?&quot;  (Please understand that if you, dear reader, happen to, I support that relationship you have to the fullest.  It just isn&#039;t right for us.)  Looking back, if living so far from other Jews on a daily basis had not included an incident to shock us into action, we would have missed, our children would have missed out on an amazing advantage they have gained in going to a day school.  (Last night they read aloud from a children&#039;s book about Moses, which was great.  But when we ended the chapter and said it was time for bed, they regaled us with the full-throated (and fully-accurate) rendition of Mi Chamocha!  Get THAT from public school!)  

Finally, might our kids become &#039;Good Jews&#039;, that is, informed, passionate, leaders connected to Torah and the community, without TTSP?  Could be, but WITH TTSP it is has already begun to happen.  Would we be better off with one fewer institution producing this type of future for the Twin Cities Jewish community?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful use of Goldman reference, Shuli, and more wonderful placement of the challenges of our WHOLE community&#8217;s Jewish education as a major concern.</p>
<p>A private school has more to concern itself than providing an excellent education.  It is an entity that needs a vision, as well as administration and faculty who connect, in addition to the mission, to the ongoing process of fundraising as well.  The whole idea of fundraising for private schools is that even those who pay full tuition do not cover the total cost to educate their child/children.  Add to that the need for financial aid, and you see the need.</p>
<p>A private school needs, as does a business, (and, for my money, as do public schools) a solid idea of the desires and needs of the community it serves.  Some of your questions resonate with me, as I wonder about my family&#8217;s future in the Twin Cities.  Why do we as a Jewish community buy into this garbage of the cross-river Hatfields and McCoys?  I didn&#8217;t grow up here, but what did these two cities DO to each other back in the day to foster so much antipathy, if not animosity? Are there not people on both sides who are concerned enough with the future to get beyond this odd fractionation?</p>
<p>The question of support of multiple day schools is not cut and dry.  School-age population is cyclical; the administration at the college where I work is talking of the hit in enrollment we are expecting as the decrease in school-aged students progresses past secondary school.  To know that we are not alone, look at the number of other school closing or closed in the past year or two.</p>
<p>Location is an issue, as what is available is not always accessible.  (My family has no one near us to ride share, etc.  If we are not in the position to drive the kids to Highland Park or Minneapolis, they cannot go to school in Highland Park or Minneapolis.)  Feelings about the &#8216;other&#8217; aside, many are not in the position to get to one school or the other.  Lose one option, and you lose Jewish education for those who were utilizing their only option.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s next?  That will depend.  Do we know what Jews around the area want for their children?  Not really, no.  How do schools connect with unaffiliated (not associated with a synagogue) families?  I wish I knew, because from all reports, there are no successful ways so far.  A Jewish day school was not even on our radar until one of the kids came home from pre-school and asked, &#8220;Why can&#8217;t we love Jesus?&#8221;  (Please understand that if you, dear reader, happen to, I support that relationship you have to the fullest.  It just isn&#8217;t right for us.)  Looking back, if living so far from other Jews on a daily basis had not included an incident to shock us into action, we would have missed, our children would have missed out on an amazing advantage they have gained in going to a day school.  (Last night they read aloud from a children&#8217;s book about Moses, which was great.  But when we ended the chapter and said it was time for bed, they regaled us with the full-throated (and fully-accurate) rendition of Mi Chamocha!  Get THAT from public school!)  </p>
<p>Finally, might our kids become &#8216;Good Jews&#8217;, that is, informed, passionate, leaders connected to Torah and the community, without TTSP?  Could be, but WITH TTSP it is has already begun to happen.  Would we be better off with one fewer institution producing this type of future for the Twin Cities Jewish community?</p>
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		<title>By: arthur</title>
		<link>http://tcjewfolk.com/shuli-doomed-day-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-4752</link>
		<dc:creator>arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 00:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for being evenhanded and discussing these important issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for being evenhanded and discussing these important issues.</p>
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